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Bama Burgers! (Recipe -raw)

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This recipe has been altered/corrected from another one of my posts. I had the wrong amount of Alfalfa on the other one. The Colonel eats it up!!

BAMA BURGERS
yield about 15-16 burgers

Morning meal- raw food
Recipe:
5-6 lbs meat, (ground muscle and organ meat)
1 lb calf liver (ground) (I omit liver every other batch)
1 large stalk brocolli (the entire stalk)
1 small pack of baby carrots (or 3 reg size carrots)
2 1/2 - 3 cup brown rice- cooked
1/2 cup live plain yogurt(or, 3 multi-dolpholous tabs ground
1 apple (small)
1/2 cup blueberries or cranberries
3 eggs WITH shell (use only organic eggs to avoid hormones and contamination of the shell, and wash shell)
1 T. Alfalfa (ground) (source of many vitamins)
1 t. DHEA Powder (cancer fighting, anti-aging hormone)
1 t. yucca root (promotes adrenal gland function)
1/2 t. kelp (nutritive energy booster)
1 T. fish oil for all EFA's
1 T. Safflower oil (only natural cold pressed with Vit E)
I T. ground glucosime/chondroitin/MSM (for age 5 & older)


Directions:
I have the butcher grind up the meats, then I pulverize the remaining ingredients in the food processor.
Dump everything into a very large bowl and mix it up just like you would for a meatloaf.
Press into approximately one-pound hamburger patties,
place individual patties on a cookie sheet to freeze.
Bag up the individual patties.
I get out one or two patties each night for the morning feeding.
Feed two, one pound patties per 50 lbs.
*This amount may need to be adjusted, depending on if you follow up with an evening meal of kibble.

Evening Meal:
I rotate between the following 3 brands of kibble each month. Kibble helps clean the teeth, because of the crunch.
Furkids need some crunch.
Wellness Brand
Solid Gold Wolf King

***I should add here that I mix these brands together when there is about 1/3 of the bag left. So, I don't switch kibble brands abruptly.

***Also, I buy frozen chicken wings for everyday treats.
This is an important source of calcium.
Of course, they are thawed before serving. Wings are served raw. Do Not serve cooked chicken bone, it will splinter!

NOTES:

This is not a recipe that would have the same effect if cooked. DO NOT COOK THIS...or the oils will turn to trans fatty acid and that is NOT good for the furkids. Always store your oils in the frig to prevent rancidity.
COD LIVER OIL: Vitamins A and D, are fat soluble vitamins that are stored in the body's fat. For this reason, Cod Liver Oil should not be overused, but skipped in at least every other batch. Fish body oil is usuable in every batch.

***Yucca- stimulates the adrenal glands for better absorption of nutrients.
***Alfalfa-is full of a whole host of nutrients
***Broccoli is full of calcium and more
***Yogurt- live bacteria for balanced digestive PH
***DHEA- a much needed hormone
***Glucosime/Chondroitin- helps with replenishing the joint tissue as is so needed in arthritis

***For all you experienced herbal foragers out there...
I add seasonal herbs to this recipe, such as Dandelion, stinging Nettle, Plantain, Oregon Grape root, fennel, chamomile, and whatever else I can find.

**Edited 4/20/07 to remove Blue Buffalo
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There are several books available with recipes and instructions on how to feed a raw diet.
One of my favorites is;

NATURAL NUTRITION FOR DOGSc, AND CATS
by Kymythy R. Schultze, C.C.N., A.H.I.
She's an animal nutritionist.
I found my copy online at the
Price-Pottinger Foundation website.

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You finely gave me a reason to hire a cook, I don't even know what half of that stuff is let alone put it together and cook it. You should start a rehab health retreat for Chows something like what Brittney spears went to.
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LOL @ Jeff!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

This route looks rather hardcore, huh! :lol: :lol:
It's easier to do than it appears.
It's really a doggie meatloaf. If you look at a recipe for meatloaf, it looks complicated, but anyone who's made meatloaf knows it isn't hard.
These items can be easily found in a health food store.
The meats are found at a grocery store.
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bama thanks, this sounds easy enough. im wondering though, can dogs get salmonella and e coli from eating uncooked meats, poultry and eggs?? like humans???
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Thank you Bama, the recipe looks soo tasty!!

Dogs' stomach acidity is much higher than human's, so for healthy dogs salmonella is a non-issue. However, raw egg whites breaks Vitamin K, if I remember right, and should be avoided for dogs. Raw egg yolks are good. That's what I read, but heck, have you ever heard of any animal cooking the eggs, just in cartoons w/ chef's hat & apron, right? Then again, I tend to cook them(soft boiled, over easy, gooy scrambled) just be on the safe side.
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Funny story about eggs...
When I was a young kid, my grandmother had a Lassie-looking collie, name Shep.

Back then, there was no such thing as commercial dog food, so the animals were fed a raw diet. Seems Shep enjoyed dining on his chicken/rice and egg so much, that he made regular trips into the chicken house for a more personal experience in fine dining! :lol:
Yep, ole Shep was a chicken killin'- egg suckin' machine who lived to be a grand old age. By the way, as you would expect, he had a beautiful coat!! :lol: :lol:
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Raw egg whites contain avidin, which binds Biotin which is a key factor in enegy production (ATP in the krebs cycle), and other important body mechanisms. biotin is known as vitamin B7 or H. It's one of the methods that birds protect their eggs from being robbed by those rodents.
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Thank U, Princess. I knew it was one of the alphabets! Anyways, I found this article from doggiewoggie.com.


"Raw Eggs and a Shiny Coat by Bill Mutter
Can feeding your dog raw eggs make its coat shiny?

This is one of the oldest wives’ tales circulating in dog feeding circles. The white of an egg is almost indigestible when raw. More important, raw egg whites combine with an essential vitamin, Biotin, and make it unavailable to the dog.

In fact, scientists who want to artificially produce a Biotin deficiency in a dog feed it raw egg whites. One of the signs of Biotin deficiency is an unhealthy condition of the skin and hair, NOT a shiny coat....."


It probably requires stupendous amount of egg whites over time, but something to be aware of...
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I can see eating just the yolks and not the egg white.
I would never feed just the whites, because the adivin is actually a bit toxic without the neutralization properties of the yolk. If one feels more comfortable, leave out the egg completely.
I have had good luck with this recipe. However, it is not my only recipe. I have a chicken and rice one, as well.
The latter doesn't contain any egg.
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Sherril,
I presume that you cook the chicken when you mix it with rice?

Bet poor Colonel never suspected we were sending him into cannibal training...only kidding...it all sounds great.
However, I still get unsure about feeding my kids raw. Please give me advice on that. The do get eggs cooked each week and lots of fish and cooked chicken etc.

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Sharon,

Yes, I usually cook the chicken overnight in a crock pot.
I also buy packs of gizzards and throw that in the pot, as well. They are basically cheap and it's a good organ meat.
I then cool it, skim off the excess fat from the broth and use the broth for making brown rice. I add the veggies and fruit without it being cooked. Just adding the pulverized fruit and veggies to the hot rice is good enough.
You can pulverize all of it while it is warm, add egg, the residual heat is enough to cook the dispered egg.

In fact, I'm making a crock pot of chicken today! I'm going to have some of it first, before making the rest into doggie food!
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Hi Sherryl

I had to wait a bit longer for my Chicken stir fry last night .
Sharon had the kids chicken in the wok first Olive oil and chicken and Tai rice noodles, Chow life is good.

DOnt worry about some raw food as Sharon doesnt know what I feed them, We go get a rabbit every morning and slice and dice it with a veggymatic left over from the 70 s Only kidding
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OK, seriously now, I am in trouble.
Most of these ingredients - I can't even look at.
Much less know what they are.

i.e. eggs make me barf.

And now I have 3, Constipated, hungry dogs!

I'm sure these are great, healthy recipes, (you guys know what you're talking about) but unless one of you want's to come to my house and cook for my kids, they're scr***d.
They're stuck with me.
I told them that from the beginning.

So far they have had brown rice, lean ground drained beef, shot of canola oil, sprinkled with garlic powder.
The same things I eat! Don't laugh.

And today I was going to treat them and add some drained, canned peas, canned corn - washed to get as much salt out as possible. And probably squeeze an Omega 3 fish oil cap over it. Variety.

I have only used my oven once (1) in the last 9 months.
Like my mother, I've just worked and ordered out.

We need to get back to "Just cut the top off the bag and pour" as quickly as possible.

Yeah, I tried to make meatloaf ONCE. They wouldn't even eat it!!

My hands sweat when I think about cooking.

Any ideas, other than a swift kick in the arse?
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Eve,
Buy a crock pot, all you need to do throw in the ingredients. Buy a rice cooker that comes with a little sive like thing to put veggies in.

Or hire a cook, some of the best cooks on this planet are men.

I hate to cook too, but I love to eat.

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Actually,
I have a chicken and rice recipe, but I didn't post it, because I thought it was too easy.
Maybe, I should start another thread with that recipe??

I have a recipe for salmon and rice too. But, that one is very easy too. Maybe, too easy??
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can i just say... everytime I see this topic "BAMA BURGERS".. I think "BAM"... and i picture you slapping a Bama burger in the dogs bowl. :? Like that cheff guy "BAM"... lmaorotf <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%25 ... /page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_72.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%25 ... e.gif"></a>
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Hi Bama

Thanks for helping contribute to the world of Nutritional Saaviness with your Bama burgers.

One point though, with all respect to many raw feeders out there, please don't call them raw. They are not.
While yes, the meat is, the rice certainly isn't.

A true raw regime consists of meat and meat products only, no vegetables, starches or other additives. I know that more and more, raw feeders are trying to get this point across to neophyte or pseudo-raw feeders.

I'm not in any way trying to insult you in any way Bama, so please don't take it that way. You ARE feeding an alternative diet to kibble which is totally wonderful, but it's not Raw!

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I think I am going to just say one quick thing and then run away because I expect you will all disagree with me. Baciteria in meat is only killed through cooking to a proper temperature. Even wild dogs who eat raw meat sometimes die of bacteria realted illness'. Dogs have been domesticated for a very long time and changing their diet so extremely now is not a good idea for every dog/chow. Some may florish others may not. This is like us going back to a raw diet. While cooking only to the lowest needed temp for each food has made humans much healthier when combined with a diet of food that are "natural" not cooking the meat at all would make us very sick. I would suggest maybe cooking each meat to the very lowest temp allowed for each meat and to kill any bacteria.

Chances are for most pups the raw diet will be fine, but for a small percentage it will be deadly.

I would weight this decision carefully. I don't want to sound like I know everything about nutrition I don't. But I do know about bacteria and the damage they can do to both people and animals.



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http://www.norcalaussierescue.com/articles.htm

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... w_Food.htm

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/bones.html


This is just a list of foods to avoid if you go raw and are new to knowing what is toxic to your pup. Or if you are just supplementing your diet.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... cleid=1030
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Don't run away

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No, no, no don't run away. Your concerns are valid.

For your information here is the rebuttal to Second Chance Ranch.
Rebuttal to Second Chance Ranch
http://rawfed.com/myths/rebuttal3.html




The chows' insides, are still the original insides from 3000 years ago, and just like all other dogs, their intestines are designed to process foods in 4 hours or less and not in 8 hours like human's are. The duration of time is not long enough to inclubate e-coli or salmonella and other bacteria.

A healthy dog with a healthy dog low (acidic) pH, is more than able to eat roadkill, aged meat buried under the earth for 2 weeks, old shoes, their own feces, and any myriad of other things.

Dogs who usually succumb to salmonella generally have an elevated (alkaline) pH (usually suffer from Candida Albicans - yeast infections, hot spots etc.), leaving them wide open to a host of digestional and other sometimes serious health related problems. These dogs should never have rices/barleies/dairy/ and other related foods.

To the best of my knowledge, the people who DO end up at the vets' office with these problems are those who fed COMMERCIAL raw products or feed a nutrionally poor version of a quasi/pseudo raw diet. Clearly with commercially bought products, there is no way to fully control the contents of the food.

Also feeding raw food together with cooked food is not desirable as both require different enzymes to be digested and both are digested differently. These should not be fed together as the cooked food WILL take up to 8 hours to digest therefore conceivablely could develop salmonella.


I share your concerns. I don't want my dogs to fall ill. I serve fresh, good meat. Am I afraid of them getting illness from meat. NO because I stick to a species appropriate food.

With special attention to Bama burgers. Bama you should refrain from using COD liver oil because of it's high content of omega #9 and very high content of vitamin A. Dogs can become very ill on vitamin A. Were you aware of that? Flax seed oil is a plant oil and again, not species appropriate, so the benefits you THINK you are offering are incorrect. Flaxseed oil resolves itself as fat on with dogs. A correct oil with Omega 3 + 6 is fish oil, or wild salmond oil or krill oil.

Also to supplement while feeding an already supplemented ultra premium dogfood is without a doubt over supplementing.

All these caveats are very important in the long term. We know more now than ever before. 10 years ago, we didn't know very much about the impact of raw feeding. Many of these book, (Pircarin, Schultz, etc.), are outdated.

Take some time and if you can speak to vets who work at zoos. they will tell you that dogs are indeed carnivores and that a meat only diet is more than appropriate.

By the way, all your other articles were written by people heavily invested in the kibble business. AND some of them are OLD articles that are outdated, and their essence and opinions have already been proven to be false.

If RAW had no validity, then why is Purina coming out with their own version of raw this year??
I'll tell you why, becuase kibble is the most inappropriate food for dogs. ... and they are finally acknowledging it.

Also if your own vet is not willing to support you concerning Raw there is a new egroup run by vets only who support raw and your vet is welcomed to go and ask questions:

Raw Vet
Your vet doesn't believe in Raw Feeding? Ask him/her to join raw VET so he can hear it from the horse's mouth
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawVet/


There is nothing wrong with feeding alternative diets, including all raw ones, but there is something wrong with offering information which may not be accurate, outdated, or non-beneficial to dogs in the long run. Certainly mixing raw food together with cooked foods is not ideal. Using additives that are inappropriate are not a good idea either.


FYI - If it makes you feel better I'm studying for my Master's in nutrition in the waste to profit consumer sector, and dog foods are at the top of the list.
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Merlin wrote:their intestines are designed to process foods in 4 hours or less and not in 8 hours like human's are.
Incubation is the time it take for symptoms to appear after a person or animal ingests an infected matter. A person or animal can be come infected as soon as the contaminated food or other substance reaches the intestines. The bacteria attaches itself to the lining of the intestines. There are strands of salmonella and e-coli that can begin to show symptoms as early as 1-2 hours after ingestion. However, the most common here in the U.S. begins to present at 8-72 hours after ingestion. While many dogs do not get sick they can still be infected with salmonella and pass it in their stool if it comes into contact with children--- well you know that part. Sick, children, and elderly. More of a risk with children than with the other two groups. If their toys or dirt or something happens to go over an area that a dog elimates in that has the bactieria.

And there is still the problem with the bones.
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chris wrote:can i just say... everytime I see this topic "BAMA BURGERS".. I think "BAM"... and i picture you slapping a Bama burger in the dogs bowl. :? Like that cheff guy "BAM"... lmaorotf <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%25 ... /page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_72.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%25 ... e.gif"></a>
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That is too funny! "Bam" was stolen from me by Emerl Lagaissee *spelling? Not! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Merlyn,

Thanks for your support. Yes, I am aware of the potency of the Cod Liver Oil and it is addressed in the post. Because, Vitamins A and D are fat soluble, they can build up stores in the body. I recommended every other batch of burgers be free of Cod liver oil.
However, since many people may not read that part of my post, I took it out of the recipe.

As I have said before, just as there are strong opinions among Democrats and Republicans, the same holds true with raw ingredients versus cooked or commercial ingredients.
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