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Waste of my time.......... "Evaluation"

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Last night was Chi-Chings "evaluation". It was a behaviourist/evaluator for the county shelter. She demonstrated with a few dogs(note: this is in a big ware house type of building and there was probably 30 people sitting there watching) Anyway, she get Chi-Ching on this really big leash and she starts running with him around the room, his tail was up and he was watching her but trotting along fine and then out of nowhere she did her "kid" test(also note, this woman was probably 5'5" and about 160+) and she starts squealling in this super high voice running towards Chi-Ching waving a toy in his face and then she started jumping towards him and still screaming and running around the room, it scared the crap out of him. He was at the end of the leash trying to run away. Her first words were, this dog should not be around kids(she said this knowing I have two already)
Then she immediately sits on the floor and Chi-Ching is still scared and she starts "reeling" him in on the leash, well he was still petrified after she was screaming and so she gets him close to her and he starts getting vocal and kind of howling a bit, he was fighting pretty hard to get away, it was VERY obvious that he was terrified. And then what does she do? She reaches her arm OVER him and tries to grab him, he freaked and started growling at her.(the other evealuator there looked at the audience and says, now imagine this dog cornered) Did she stop? No. She kept reaching for him (as he as as far away as he can get because he is on the leash) She was poking him in the butt and then she would try and grab him, finally he tried to run around her but couldn't because of the leash and what does she do then, she reaches around her back and tries to grab him, she got her arm bit(she was wearing a sweater) He was growling most of the time trying to give her a warning, she just wouldn't let up. So in her words, he has a low tolerance level. He was also panting(we waited TWO hours for him to get tested in this hot warehouse type of building) but his panting was a sign of stress(ya think?)
She looked at me and said if this dog was in the shelter it wouldn't make it out at all, she said it DEFINITELY should not be around kids and that we should have him put down!!
Chi-Ching is not food aggressive he is just kind of pushy about his food and so I wanted him tested for that and she just looked at me and said, he has got bigger problems than food aggression.
I am pretty upset because she now everyone there saw him as viscious "typical" chow. I take him to my daughters school and people pet him ALOT, he also visits other places. Actually some of the people at the dog training were petting him before the evaluation.
I am very frustrated because I know he is a good puppy and my husband just says to ignore what she said because she did not consider that he was, first of all a chow, and second of all, he had been sitting there for two hours and was very anxious and she also didn't listen to a damn thing that I said.

Well, we will see what Tuesday brings as that is when he meets with the head trainer of my dog training club(a person a little more experienced with dogs and their breeds) Well, this "evaluation" was just a big waste of my time and it set back his socializing quite a bit because now he thinks everyone is going to act like that.
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That sounds pretty awful I wouldn't want anyone to do that to by baby Coco. I think any breed of dog would get freaked out in those conditions. I think that she should not be around puppies and should definately be put down because she is vicious hehe. I think your hubby is right just ignore what she said. It is very sad that people like that work in shelters that decide the fate of the poor dogs that end up in shelters. :(

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i think that womens RETARDED! what the hell did she expect ching to do after being dragged around by someone he doesn't know, lean over and give her a big kiss?

i would have stopped it before it even started and took my pup HOME!
and probably would of had a few choice words for her because what she did is exactly home you make a puppy into a mean dog IMHO.
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I took him home before the end of the "evaluation", this whole thing lasted less then 5 minutes, from the time she took him out on the floor until she said he needed to be put down.
Then she kept telling how 6 year old are BAD with dogs, they are just too young BUT 3 year olds are WAY worse, they cannot comprehend putting themselves in others shoes and they do things like stick a pencil in a dogs ears just because! I couldn't believe it! She knows I have both a 3 and almost 6 year old. My kids both KNOW better to ever do anything like that. My 3 year old is not stupid and neither would EVER intentionally hurt ANY animal. This woman had me so angry in such a short amount of time it was amazing. I think it was a world record.
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You need to find someone who isn't a dumba**. I'm so sorry that had to happen to Chingy. Stupid evaluator - I know Goldens that wouldn't submit to that.

Your husband is right - remember, I was told to put Rogue down too! Don't listen to her. Rogue is 8, holds two titles and is the sweetest, most lovable guy I've ever known. Mellow, even-tempered, great with my son... DON"T LISTEN TO THAT CRAZY WOMAN.
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Bloody Hell! Bloody, bloody Hell! :x

I am so mad! :twisted:

That woman needs putting down! Did you suggest it! Do you want Milly and Mabel and me to fly over and carve her up? :evil:

Don't worry about it. Just go back to square one, start again - get his nuts out and love him!

Explain to your girls what has happened and just love him! :)

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Chowlover,

I'm so sorry. I can't stop laughing at your subject post... I don't know where you live, but my goodness, your post is testament that SCREAMING BANCHEES DO EXIST! :lol: Ha! Ha! Ha! Oh, poor Chingy. Poor, poor Chingy. He must of thought what the frig?! Knowing how chows process things, oh goodness! Poor Chingy!

I hope you gave him an extra treat when he got home. I'm sure he and Koda had some chownese laughs about this too! :lol:
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EGADS!!! This wasn't an evaluator, she was a nightmare. I think that any human would have reacted like Chingy! If any one came at me like that, I think they would have a face full of pepper spray!!!
I don't know why this "evaluator" would think that kids would normally behave this way. I mean that if I had kids like that, I sure as hell couldn't handle a pet, too!
Move on...

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When are people ever going to learn, you can't treat a Chow like a dog, there's not a Chow owner in here that couldn't have told you what was going to happen ( don't know why they didn't) it has nothing to do with aggression, viciousness' nor has anything to do with the so called Chow stereotyping. When someone says you have a Chow that doesn't mean you have some viscous untrainable beast what it means is you have a Chow not a dog so your training and socializing will have to be with someone that knows how to work with Chows and especially not some screaming maniac that runs around telling everyone she is a dog trainer.

As I said before that evaluation test is absolutely worthless has no meaning and only came about so the animal shelters can feel good about themselves when they have to clean out the cages plus gives them a reason to kill anything over 35LBs. If you ever get a Chance stop by the Berkeley animal shelter in the Bay area, One of the very few Animal Shelters that I have been to that actually has some understanding when its comes to dealing with breeds not just a dogs , they have a brochure sitting on the counter, adopting a Chow, it doesn't say anything about being a dangerous or unpredictable breed. Intelligent and stubborn those two words alone should tell you the Chow will have to be trained differently then what Pet-co, the neighborhood park or a dog trainer is offering.

Afraid I have to agree with Judy when it comes to "arfarty training and caging but if its that play pin in the picture that is being refered to as caging it looks like a nice puppy play and safe area to me, plus look at Chi-Chings face, its telling everyone I didn't do that.
M&M, Mr N. and Pekoe have never had training classes that I know of and all are respected adult Chows about town. a little growling here and there but nothing ever serious.
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I wasn't refering to the play pen in the picture. My understanding is that Chingy has a crate also.

I think the play pen looks nice. I have a baby stair gate that I put up between the kitchen and the sitting room for when young great-nephews and great-nieces visit. This ensures that M & M are kept in peace. They have the run of the kitchen put are not in danger of being pulled about.
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Holy cow! Lily would have done the same thing. She is always throat clearing and low growling at things she is uncertain of, her philosophy is growl at it first, blue kisses when she knows it's safe. 8)
I took Lily and Pip to my parent's home last night, and my sister and her 16 month old granddaughter were there. Lily allowed little Avery to reach over her head to pet her (I'm the only one she really allows to reach over her head), and at one point, she pushed Lily's face away because Lily was in her way. Lily knew the score, she is learning (slowly) that sometimes, she is underfoot and needs to give the right of way, so to speak. Avery never mishandled Lily, and Lily was in no way aggressive to her.
That woman who did the testing has a screw loose. I only wonder what she thought the proper response was supposed to be, and if she's every actually has seen a dog respond well to her....sheesh!
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jeff&peks i agree 100%

my pup is 6 months old (he's my 2nd chow) and hasn't growled at anyone or any other pets yet, we live in nyc were as soon as we leave the building there are hundreds of people and their pets within 2 blocks. on an average 30 minute walk we probably pass by a few hundred people and he meets 10-15 other dogs, most pepole here respect other peoples pets and would tell you if their dog is mean, and out of all the mean dogs we've met most are those little bastards. and my boy still doesn't growl i think he laughs at them.

my point being i have one of the so called MEAN BREEDS, living in the largest city in the world, and what do i have?

A GOOD BOY! :D

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I just wanted to say that Chingy does have a crate but we only use it for sleeping and for traveling. When he is seperated from a situation, he is put in his play pen, not his crate.
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I LIKE the playpen idea. We did that for about 3 years when Kel was born. We had gates all over my house - I don't think the dogs and the child were in the same room on the ground until we moved to Florida (and Kel was almost 4)
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I wish I could say Lily never growls, but she was just growling at her own reflection in the window...lol. I think it's her personality to grumble and growl because she doesn't follow through with anything else. We crate Lily when we go anywhere and sometimes at night, she usually just stretches out next to Pip in the living room. We just started trusting her to not soil when left to roam the lower floor. Still, crating keeps youngsters safe when left alone. And sometimes she'll go lay in it on her own. Also, after I vacuum, she goes in and removes all her toys.
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You're right; that evaluation was a total waste of your time. However, it would've been cool to get a video of it to be used as "how not to have a sweet well adjusted chow chow" She did everything wrong, and propably would have done even more things, like forcing him to lie on his back while she held him down, (for which he mostly likely would have bit her again). My Firesong will be four in Febuary, and she wouldn't have dealt with that at all well, she wouldn't have minded running around on the leash, but the rest of it would have terrified her! I don't think Darkwind wouldv'e tolerated that, he's almost six and adores people of all kinds, (all you have to do on the street is look at him and mention the word pretty and he's begging to be petted :D )

That woman needs to be kept away from dogs--all dogs and shouldn't work at a shelter! What an idiot!

Like most of the others have said, ignore her...sounds like you're getting a handle on Ching now and learning that chows hate time outs...they don't mind if they ignore you, but they don't like you ignoring them.
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