c1928 Blue Ribbon Chow Chow - Packard Auto Archive

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:17 pm

"Inscribed on photo back: Packard 443, custom eight (produced 7/1/1927-8/1/1928), fourth series eight, 8-cylinder, 106-horsepower, 143-inch wheelbase, 4-person sedan (body type #1504), body by Dietrich, owner Mr. C.W. Bell of Boston, Mass., an equally prized possession is the blue-ribbon winning chow-chow dog, Whang, whose line goes back through Wahhang (A.K.C. 249626) & Chee Toy (A.K.C. 221719)."

Yvonne · Post by **Yvonne** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:37 pm

Very cool, Kiwani! Where did you come across this photo?

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:42 pm

I'm interested in old photos of earlier Chows, mostly looking at body structure changes. Here's a Chow from 1900, owned by a countess!

chowfrnd88 · Post by **chowfrnd88** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:38 pm

Oh those are so cool!! I have a book of dogs in old postcards and photographs and I love it. I love old pictures. If you have any more that you can share, I'd love to see them!

ngraham · Post by **ngraham** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:56 pm

Those are too neat Kiwani. The first photo kind of looks like our chows today, but the second really is different. How have they changed Kiwani? I would really like to see some more if you have them.

Post by **Zhuyos mom** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:01 pm

I really enjoy these vintage photos too. There is a aire of mystery in them. I also love that Packard! Swanky people!

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:44 am

The Packard auto photo reflects the years of prosperity and thrift during the presidency of Calvin Coolidge in the 1920's, when two Chows lived in the White House - 'Tiny Tim' aka 'Terrible Tim', and 'Blackberry'. The two Chows of this popular president started a wave of popularity for the breed, which resulted in over-breeding and the breed's ruin, but Chows were able to make a comeback with responsible breeding in the 1950's and 60's. Here's a photo of Mrs. Coolidge and one of the White House Chows.

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:08 am

Re: "The first photo kind of looks like our chows today, but the second really is different."

The Chow from the 1900's, while not a great looking speciment, was probably treasured more for the exotic appeal and rarity. That Chow was also one of the first to be 'shown' and 'win' as breed clubs organized. As already mentioned, he was owned by a countess, so charting bloodlines, owning and establishing breed purity, were interests set aside for the wealthy and the aristocracy.

ciaobella · Post by **ciaobella** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:52 pm

Thanks, Kiwani, very cool photos. We were discussing spurts of overbreeding over the century in another thread, and I had a dim memory of glamour photos of Hollywood stars with their chows that were pre-1940's. Do you have any info or photos in that vein? I've googled myself silly, and the only thing I've managed to come up with is this:

Not really what I had in mind....

Post by **chris** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:51 am

Kiwani, those are AWSOME. I love Old photos too. any photos, but thats so cool that you found some with chows in them.

Post more if you have some.

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:46 am

Haven't any Hollywood photos at the moment, but here's one of Freud's Chows from the early 1930s. The link below has photos of some early Chows bred by Lady Phillips, and a photo of "Blue Blood" (born 1893) who is the grandson of "Pekoe II"(born 1888). Other photos include Han dynasty ceramics of Chows - haven't looked through the rest of site yet...

http://www.ighorschow.com.br/historico.asp

Post by **chris** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:49 am

DUDE.... a string of paws follows my cuser around... LOL

Tovya · Post by **Tovya** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:26 am

Oh, these are SO cool. I just LOVE the 1920's, 30's and 40's. The cloths, the styles... And now to know that ChowChows were "fashionable" then.....no wonder I love that time period. My Father, who is now 76, told me when I got Chuy that he remembered there being a lot of Chows in his neighbourhood when he was a boy (1930's).

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:37 am

Re: "DUDE.... a string of paws follows my cuser around... LOL"

Could be Freud playing with your mind

Post by **chris** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:03 am

LOL...

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:23 am

Re: "I just LOVE the 1920's, 30's and 40's"

I found a postcard of an early film star with her Chow:

Tovya · Post by **Tovya** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:15 am

That's a gorgeous photo, Kiwani. Thank you. I think it might be a German photo by looking closely at the type on it.

Post by **kingalls** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:30 am

I like seeing these old photos and postcards - Thanks Kiwani

ciaobella · Post by **ciaobella** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:43 am

That's interesting, because she was a big time German film star... a connection to Freud. Love the picture of him with his chows, altho I suspect Sophie is probably a Jungian.

I had read somehere that he would time his sessions by his chows. When they started to get up and walk around the office, the hour was up.

Thanks for the link, Kiwani... can't wait to check it out.

kiwani · Post by **kiwani** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:56 am

Re: "I think it might be a German photo by looking closely at the type on it."

Lil Dagover came up in a search on silent films and chow-chow. She worked in films until the 1930s. Here's a little about her.

Excerpt:

LIL DAGOVER
Born Marta Maria Liletts in Madiven, Java either 1887, 1894 or 1897. Died January 23rd 1980 in West Germany. Married to stage actor Fritz Daghofer (d.1936).

Yvonne · Post by **Yvonne** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:05 pm

I especially like the picture of Freud and his chows.

3blackchows · Post by **3blackchows** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:31 pm

Wow, Kiwani, these are awesome.
I too luv the old photos & luv taking black & white.
They do have a mistique about them.
Do ytou think the 2nd photo at the top of teh thread could be a smooth chow? Wow, I can't believe chow chows ruled Freuds world.

Ciaobella: Is that a photo of Elvis w/ a chow?

ciaobella · Post by **ciaobella** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:40 pm

Yes, his name was "Getlo", and doesn't he look embarrassed?

3blackchows · Post by **3blackchows** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:52 pm

I new quite a bit about Elvis, my grandparents were HUGE Elvis fans. I never knew he had a chow. Interesting.
I guess I would be too, how can you compete w/ all the flashy contents on that outfit

Sharons Chows · Post by **Sharons Chows** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:57 pm

This is a most interesting post.
Both Alan and I are really enjoying it.

Thanks so much for all of the great research.

Sharon