Let the beating begin, I am ready, but I had to share!

kitcatak · Post by **kitcatak** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:49 pm

I am in the process of getting a chow puppy. I have been searching the internet high and low and I think I found one in Missouri. Many of you would probably consider these people BYB, but maybe they are, but they have the puppy I want and I can afford (NOT the $1400 price tags I have been quoted.). If it all works out I will be getting a cream, open faced baby girl around the end of August. Leo really needs a playmate and I have a good feeling about these people. I don't care about showing and I like the looks of her parents. I will post pictures when I have decided which girl I am getting (there are 2 to pick from). Ok, lecture away, but someone at least be happy that I am going to give another chow a wonderful life. I am already aware of a great puppy class I can take her too and hopefully we won't have an incident like we did with poor Leo.

Tracy

RHENEGADE CHOWS · Post by **RHENEGADE CHOWS** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:39 pm

kitcatak wrote:I am in the process of getting a chow puppy. Tracy

Oh how fabulous Tracy! A new baby!
Listen ignore the people who like bring you down because you don't think like they do, which by the way is a good thing.
Do you have any pictures of your baby yet? I got 4 of my 6 chows in Missouri.
Send pictures and email me ok.

Judy Fox · Post by **Judy Fox** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:48 pm

Lovely Tracy and I hope you enjoy your new baby chowling. Just ignore the sad remarks. Make a baby chowling into a happy grown chow.

vicster605 · Post by **vicster605** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:42 am

Best Wishes for your new baby!!!!! We want lots of pics

Dogdad · Post by **Dogdad** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:17 am

Congratulations,a new puppy, Beleive it or not, I am pretty sure Yoshi wasn't a 1400.00 puppy either. He probably was a byb puppy at one time. I imagine, most of our dogs are. I hope people remember that if they have something negative to say.
David

Terrina Harris · Post by **Terrina Harris** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:17 am

Best Wishes. We also got our chow puppy from Missouri. He is 18 weeks old. They grow so fast. Is the dad of your puppy by chance Simba?

Terrina

Post by **chris** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:33 am

Oh thats so awesome. I'm pretty sure Steel came from a BYB, but at that time i didn't know it. I wouldn't trade him for the world.

chowchowdaddy · Post by **chowchowdaddy** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:56 am

Congratulations on the new baby. Ming and Tempest send their best, too...

Remember, it doesn't matter where the babies come from, it's where they end up!!!

TJordan · Post by **TJordan** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:22 am

YEs congrats. I still can't wait to see pics.

And Butters was BYB as well, but like chris said, wouldn't trade him for anything!!!

kaylasue · Post by **kaylasue** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:45 am

Congratulations!! to me it dosent matter where the puppy came from, its where it is going to that matters, amd this will be one lucky puppy as that i am sure she will have a wonderful home. good for you, cant wait to see pictures!!

Sojourner11 · Post by **Sojourner11** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:10 am

kitcatak wrote:I am in the process of getting a chow puppy. I have been searching the internet high and low and I think I found one in Missouri. Many of you would probably consider these people BYB, but maybe they are, but they have the puppy I want and I can afford (NOT the $1400 price tags I have been quoted.). If it all works out I will be getting a cream, open faced baby girl around the end of August. Leo really needs a playmate and I have a good feeling about these people. I don't care about showing and I like the looks of her parents. I will post pictures when I have decided which girl I am getting (there are 2 to pick from). Ok, lecture away, but someone at least be happy that I am going to give another chow a wonderful life. I am already aware of a great puppy class I can take her too and hopefully we won't have an incident like we did with poor Leo.

Tracy

First off, aren't you the one who keeps their Chow chained up because you didn't have the money to build a fence? If that isn't you then ignore this part of my reply.

Second, if you do not have the money to buy from a reputable breeder who has taken the time, effort, and expense to go through health checks, then if this pup needs $5000 in surgery what will happen then?

This is a prime example of what is wrong with the whole system that has brought this breed, and every other breed to befall on it's current situation. "I want it, and I want it now, and damn the consequences".

Solo, while a rescue, probably came from a puppy mill, but that doesn't mean that I am going to stand up in favor of puppy mills because of his origin.

jaxsun_12 · Post by **jaxsun_12** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:26 am

jack came from a BYB and I'm just glad i got him out of there. And again, its the $3500 price tag that didn't look to good to me. Since we spent 500 on jack, we have more money to deal with any vet bills that come up. which thank god haven't happened. and like people have said, i don't know what I'd do with out him, wouldnt give him back for the world.

Post by **Auddymay** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:44 am

Tracy, none of us (well, most of us...) will point fingers at you for getting a new puppy. As Sean pointed out, it will be a challenge to tie out 2, but I think you probably are like me, and while not ideal, it is far from cruel. And not having a fence today does not mean you won't have one in 6 months.

I also want to quickly touch on the question of 'what would you do if...?' I am going on record now to say if either of my girls needed surgery that amounted to the thousands of dollars (I was wathing an Animal Planet show just now, where the dog hit by a car would cost $6,000 to fix.) If I had to come up with it out of pocket, they are going to be euthanized. Sorry if I sound cruel, but those are the facts of my life. I love my pets, but no way can I afford to spend that much. If that makes me a bad person, well, just call me 'Angel Eyes'.

What name are you thinking of? You will hate me for this, but since you already have a Leo, why not an Aquarius? Or Libra? ...lol. Sorry. I always think Zodiac when I see Leo's name (but not when I see LEOnora's name...odd.) Lily went a week with no name. She could have easily been a CoCo. Also Cloe was the first name Haley suggested. That one would be good, like an anagram of Leo with a C. I like to see them in action before naming.

Sorry this post is so wordy. I am still in the works for Leo's page, now I will have to do one with his new sister, too.

kitcatak · Post by **kitcatak** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:15 am

Thank you everyone (or almost!! hehe). I am very excited and will post pictures when I can.

First off, aren't you the one who keeps their Chow chained up because you didn't have the money to build a fence? If that isn't you then ignore this part of my reply.
Second, if you do not have the money to buy from a reputable breeder who has taken the time, effort, and expense to go through health checks, then if this pup needs $5000 in surgery what will happen then?
This is a prime example of what is wrong with the whole system that has brought this breed, and every other breed to befall on it's current situation. "I want it, and I want it now, and damn the consequences".
Solo, while a rescue, probably came from a puppy mill, but that doesn't mean that I am going to stand up in favor of puppy mills because of his origin.

Yes, I chain Leo out. Your point? Leo is happy and healthy and he doesn't mind being on a chain. Fences do not a happy dog make. He is not out 24/7 on his chain. He is out when HE wants to be out and in when HE wants to be in. Of course I am sure he would rather be able to roam about wherever he wishes, but so would my kids. That doesn't mean they get to. Oh, and if it IS any of your business, there will be a fence up around the yard before this puppy gets here, as well as a new deck and swing set for my kids.

How to pay the bills if the puppy needs something? Well, ever heard of pet insurance? I have it on Leo and it is fairly inexpensive. $21 a month. So, if I buy from a reputable breeder that means I don't have vet bills? My dog can't hurt his leg playing? He will never get hit by a car or get stomach cancer? Well, I guess the $1400 is worth it then, right?

You are absolutely right. I am part of the "I want it and I want it now" mentality. I work hard to get the things I want. I am not asking YOU to pay my way. I don't have any debt except for my house so why can't I have what I want? Contrary to popular belief, the country is not being over run by chow chows. I don’t want a mix and I want a puppy. Do you know a better way to get one? BYB, Puppymill, what have you, the chows that exist need homes to be loved. I can’t make people stop breeding AND by not buying one of these puppies the breeder isn’t going to have an epiphany and say “Gee, Tracy in Alaska didn’t buy my puppy, there must be something wrong and I better not breed anymore”. Get real! I guess I could wait until this puppy has gone to a home where they didn’t take care of it, let it be subjected to a bad life for a while and then rescue it 6 months from now. Then I could be a hero, right? BLAH!

Having a snotty attitude to everybody that doesn’t live exactly like you will get you nothing but unhappiness. It already shows.

April · Post by **April** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:19 am

Congrats on the new chowkid, My izzy was from a BYB, and I love her to death, and so far she has been a gem. I believe that she has a great life with me. To be honest I have really learned a lot from this site about the whole BYB. Our chowkids are fortunate to have such loving homes.

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Red Dragon · Post by **Red Dragon** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:19 am

It's hard to put a price tag on your pets life when you are faced with expensive surgury, but in reality most people can't cough up $2000 - $6000 to have their pets life saved, and the price of saving their lives seems to just get higher all the time.

I will say that Missouri is the puppymill capital of the world, so there is a good chance you are getting a dog from a puppymill.

I think the idea is in reverse, you want to spend more up front from a reputable breeder so that you don't pay through the nose later and get faced with having to make that dreaded decision to have to put them down.

I just sent a male puppy back to his breeder because he was not breeding quality, the biggest thing is he developed entropion. He would make someone a nice pet, he has a wonderful temperament and is stable in mind. He is a moderate type Chow, both parents passed OFA and plenty of health checks in the lines. He is on his way back to the west coast as I type. I have no idea what they would ask for him, but thought I would mention it if you wanted another male.

kitcatak · Post by **kitcatak** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:34 am

Well, it isn't a puppy mill. They have 3 chows and 1 litter per year.

I think I want a female. Leo isn't dog aggressive, but he does think he is the boss, so I thought a female would be a better choice.

I just had a kitty I loved put to sleep. His vet bill was $1000. I would never purchase a cat for $1000, but I was trying to save his life. This isn't his first time with being ill. We already spend another $2000 on him a few years ago. There are things we would like, but the price isn't something we can justify and there are things that we have to do, like trying to make a sick animal better. My kitty wasn't going to get better no matter how much money I had, so we opted to end his suffering.

Thank you for telling me about the puppy you sent back. I think he is probably older then I want. If you like, you can pm me the breeder info and I will contact them.

I do think a female would be a better fit. Anyone have an opinion on that?

Jeff&Peks · Post by **Jeff&Peks** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:38 am

If you can't afford designer jeans for one Kid then you don't have another, BYB or how ever the chow was bred health problems occur. Thats why I don't adopt another Chow I need every dime I have to keep Pekoe alive not so much now But if the cancer comes back I will need evey cent for her. they are cute and fun when puppies but when they hit the senior years not to many peolpe can afford vet bills for 2 or 3. I don't ever want to be put in a position that I have to put a Chow/dog down becouse I can't afford to keep it alive. If you bring a Chow/dog or Kid into your home then its up to you to privide every thing possible for the health and care. Love can only go so far.

Sojourner11 · Post by **Sojourner11** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:46 am

kitcatak wrote:Thank you everyone (or almost!! hehe). I am very excited and will post pictures when I can.

First off, aren't you the one who keeps their Chow chained up because you didn't have the money to build a fence? If that isn't you then ignore this part of my reply.
Second, if you do not have the money to buy from a reputable breeder who has taken the time, effort, and expense to go through health checks, then if this pup needs $5000 in surgery what will happen then?
This is a prime example of what is wrong with the whole system that has brought this breed, and every other breed to befall on it's current situation. "I want it, and I want it now, and damn the consequences".
Solo, while a rescue, probably came from a puppy mill, but that doesn't mean that I am going to stand up in favor of puppy mills because of his origin.
Yes, I chain Leo out. Your point? Leo is happy and healthy and he doesn't mind being on a chain. Fences do not a happy dog make. He is not out 24/7 on his chain. He is out when HE wants to be out and in when HE wants to be in. Of course I am sure he would rather be able to roam about wherever he wishes, but so would my kids. That doesn't mean they get to. Oh, and if it IS any of your business, there will be a fence up around the yard before this puppy gets here, as well as a new deck and swing set for my kids.

How to pay the bills if the puppy needs something? Well, ever heard of pet insurance? I have it on Leo and it is fairly inexpensive. $21 a month. So, if I buy from a reputable breeder that means I don't have vet bills? My dog can't hurt his leg playing? He will never get hit by a car or get stomach cancer? Well, I guess the $1400 is worth it then, right?

You are absolutely right. I am part of the "I want it and I want it now" mentality. I work hard to get the things I want. I am not asking YOU to pay my way. I don't have any debt except for my house so why can't I have what I want? Contrary to popular belief, the country is not being over run by chow chows. I don’t want a mix and I want a puppy. Do you know a better way to get one? BYB, Puppymill, what have you, the chows that exist need homes to be loved. I can’t make people stop breeding AND by not buying one of these puppies the breeder isn’t going to have an epiphany and say “Gee, Tracy in Alaska didn’t buy my puppy, there must be something wrong and I better not breed anymore”. Get real! I guess I could wait until this puppy has gone to a home where they didn’t take care of it, let it be subjected to a bad life for a while and then rescue it 6 months from now. Then I could be a hero, right? BLAH!

Having a snotty attitude to everybody that doesn’t live exactly like you will get you nothing but unhappiness. It already shows.

The only reason puppy mills exist is to cater to the stupid, ignorant, and lazy buyer who care nothing about the breed, and who is only about just getting what they want for a cheap price. Find another source for your material gratification.

In capitalism, businesses only stay in business as long as somebody is giving them money for their product. So yes, buy buying that puppy from a mill you are sending the message, "KEEP GOING AND HERE IS SOME MORE MONEY TO DO SO".

kitcatak · Post by **kitcatak** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:01 am

stupid, ignorant, and lazy

What a nice guy you are. Well, you believe what you like. If I am "stupid, ignorant and lazy" because I want a chow puppy to keep my other chow company, so be it. You would rather THIS puppy be unhappy and possibly die because you feel it's breeder is a puppymill.

What do you think would happen if no one EVER bought another chow from a breeder? If as of right this second, no one bought a chow? Where do you think the dogs would end up? Do you care? It is ok to put thousands of dogs to death because YOU don't want any of us to buy from them? I just don't get where you are coming from.

Larry Harris · Post by **Larry Harris** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:31 pm

I must be stupid then for getting a puppy from MO. Not every place there is a puppy mill. One of the really great things about living here in the U.S. is you get to speak your mind. One of the bad things is you do not have to be responsible for what you say???

I know I am showing my age but who cares. I have been around computers and BBS for a really long time. Way back then we had zmodem and command lines with lots of green text. Anyway even in the beginning of time we had what I call the 10% bunch. You spend 90% of your time on the 10% of the people that are a bit off center. AKA Trolls.

Back a long time ago we would talk face to face and seldom would you think of telling someone you are stupid for not thinking like me.

Now we have people sitting in little dark computer rooms that do not have to stand face to face with other people. This allows them to feel empowered over others, after all there are no repercussion. Hard to punch them in the nose through the computer or better yet I will TYPE ALL CAPS AND YELL AT YOU.

People that have taken the time to join this list and read it know about the hazards of Chow health. A very large number have rescued puppies and older Chows. They do not need an impolite lecture on the evils of BYB's.

I am amazed at the "tone" some take with members of this BBS. Goes back to the 90 - 10 rule.

Read all the post ignore the 10% and enjoy having a puppy!! Never and I mean never be afraid, if they make you mad type in caps GO TO A DARK PLACE AND LEAVE ME ALONE! Hang on a munute I have to turn the lights back on

Larry Harris

Red Dragon · Post by **Red Dragon** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:12 pm

That's a great solution, let's just all turn a blind eye to the problem so that nobody gets their feelings hurt. Who knows, maybe in another 100 years we won't have to worry about buying dogs anymore because they have been banned because the health situation got so bad. I can see it now, bitches squirting out little quiverring blobs with no legs and no eyes, that wouldn't even stop a puppymill sale if there is a fool standing in line with cash! Until you have visited a puppymill, don't talk about them or anyone that bashes them, because you really can't get the true picture of what one is until you have seen one in person.

Send me an email and I will shoot you some pictures of one of the discusting places though.

Sojourner11 · Post by **Sojourner11** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:17 pm

I was speaking of those who are in the mindset of "I have to have it now" and care not what the consequences are of their on demand market.

I made no mention of MO and Chows from there.

My main point in the original post was this person posted way back about getting another Chow for her existing Chow who by the way spends a great deal of time chained up. This is not an indictment of those who tether during the day but those who tether long term. Top that off with the reasoning that you must buy the cheap puppy to save it from a terrible life and in fact save it. LOL! This part I love, now if you buy a puppy from a BYB or a puppy mills you are in fact actually rescuing it!!! ahahahaahahahahah ...Just brilliant.

Hell of a marketing plan they have. No different than me putting a "I'm going to kill the bunny if you don't pay me $$$" website.

Tracy, if you paid $21 a month for 4 years, then thats a $1000. Wait, find the best breeder, with the best pups, and not pay somebody to create Chows that might otherwise have a life in pain and suffering due to crappy and careless breeding. Spend a little extra up front might save your Chow a lifetime of health issues. You said yourself that your not in any real debt or hurting like that, then why skimp on this purchase?

All I'm am saying is that you don't have to rush this decision. And yes we already kill 1000's of Chows a year, adults that can't find a home as it is. And each puppy litter born dooms some of those adults.

Sojourner11 · Post by **Sojourner11** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:36 pm

Larry Harris wrote:I must be stupid then for getting a puppy from MO. Not every place there is a puppy mill. One of the really great things about living here in the U.S. is you get to speak your mind. One of the bad things is you do not have to be responsible for what you say???

I know I am showing my age but who cares. I have been around computers and BBS for a really long time. Way back then we had zmodem and command lines with lots of green text. Anyway even in the beginning of time we had what I call the 10% bunch. You spend 90% of your time on the 10% of the people that are a bit off center. AKA Trolls.

Back a long time ago we would talk face to face and seldom would you think of telling someone you are stupid for not thinking like me.

Now we have people sitting in little dark computer rooms that do not have to stand face to face with other people. This allows them to feel empowered over others, after all there are no repercussion. Hard to punch them in the nose through the computer or better yet I will TYPE ALL CAPS AND YELL AT YOU.

People that have taken the time to join this list and read it know about the hazards of Chow health. A very large number have rescued puppies and older Chows. They do not need an impolite lecture on the evils of BYB's.

I am amazed at the "tone" some take with members of this BBS. Goes back to the 90 - 10 rule.

Read all the post ignore the 10% and enjoy having a puppy!! Never and I mean never be afraid, if they make you mad type in caps GO TO A DARK PLACE AND LEAVE ME ALONE! Hang on a munute I have to turn the lights back on

Larry Harris

You know Larry, I posted a few months ago about an idiot I know who bred his Pit Bull because someone (called idiot number one) simply said they liked the dog and couldn't find one. Can't find a Pit bull. Almost 10000 pits of petfinder and he can't find one. Not one. So idiot number two just goes out and bred his Pit based on this passing comment. After telling me this, he got the same thing. "Well that was a pretty stupid thing to do!" And I said it many different ways and it was filled with all sorts of curse words. So don't give me the hiding behind the keyboard speech. I only have two passions. One happens to be the plight of all dogs but with a particular interest in Chows, of course. Being nice and rolling over never solved big problems.

And what happened to the puppies? Well one got sick and he paid almost $1000 in vet bills, got stuck with the female, and it in the end he ended up paying out more than he made on the puppies. He ate some major crow last time I saw him and told me the end result. Now he understands why I got so pissed.

Red Dragon · Post by **Red Dragon** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:53 pm

Sean, they should have contacted Michael Vick if they wanted a pit, maybe they could have rescued one of the ones they beat, shot, electrocuted, or drowned to death!

Wow, $1000 in insurance in four years. Kinda makes part of my puppy contract look good, I guarantee the health of my puppies for 5 years, kinda makes that high price look better all the time!

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