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How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:26 am
by jonnywho
Hey all,

I have a 3-month old chow that according to the breeder is a smooth coat, closed face type. After seeing a few other pictures on here, I'm pretty sure the breeder was just trying to get a sale.

What do you guys/gals think?

Here is punchy a few days after we got him.
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Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:38 am
by kitten1426
Very Cute....He doesnt look like a smooth coat to me...And he is like our Kodi pictured below...more of a closed/pushed in face...

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:36 pm
by Tippsy'smom
I would say your breeder doesn't know what they're talking about. Your pup looks like a cream rough coated, open faced chow.

And Kitten, your boy doesn't look like a closed faced chow. He looks open face.

Open faced is like the purebreds in my signature (Cinder and Tippsy). Closed faced have more wrinkly faces with shorter muzzles.

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:06 pm
by Rory's Dad
Agree with tippsy. Not smooth and not closed face, Jonny. Kittens is not closed face either. Closed face has a very smushed muzzle and the eyes will be bareyly visible due to wrinkle. Smooth coated Chows will have the fur lying very close to the body, compare more to a lab style fur. They still have an undercoat, but is not very pronounced.

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:33 pm
by kitten1426
Well Kodi has a way shorter nose then our female chow so maybe your right he isnt full closed face but he i think isnt full face either...Here she is our Mia...And to us she has way less fur then Kodi...

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Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:55 pm
by Rory's Dad
Your Kodi definitely has a shorter more rounded muzzle. My Kodi was a male that looked a lot like your Mia.

Not to start an entirely new topic, but variety within the Chow goes way beyond the Smooth/Rough and Open/Closed discussion.

Current trends in the US are toward the short/stocky type of Chow. These tend to be toward the closed face/rough category. Muzzles also tend to be in-between (like your Kodi). In Asia the Chow tends to be leaner, taller and more athletic with a shorter fur, but still not Smooth. Muzzles similar to your Mia are common.

Naturally, there is a crossover.

Common traits are still the triangle ears and blue/black tongue.

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:21 pm
by jonnywho
Kodi is one good looking chow. I wouldn't mind my pup growing into that!

I'm pretty sure you're right, Tippsy. The breeder threw in a few other BS terms like "bear-type", "compact body", "short snout". I just knew that he was the one when I held him and how he was following me around the petshop and even ran to me when I called him.

@Rory - I guess that confirms it. He is definitely an open-faced chow. Doesn't matter now though, open or closed, I still love him. :)

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:52 am
by kitten1426
Thank you we love Kodi too...He is only 18 months he still is has some filling out to do...lol..and already a good 80lbs or so..

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:55 pm
by Victory
Kitten your Kodi is indeed an open faced chow. However, he also has a heavier body type than your girl who is much lighter boned and this is one of the main reasons for the difference in facial differences. My Darkwind had a face much like your Kodi's. While my Firesong has a leaner look due more to her petite bone structure than anything else. Dreamdance actually has a shorter muzzle, but is still very much an open faced speciman. He is far more like the original chows or oriental types than most of my others, even down to his shorter plush fur, though he is not a smooth coat.

The puppy asked about is a open faced rough coat, he may end up with the shorter coat of the oriental type, but he is still a rough coat. Can't see his tail in the picture, but does curl over his back like this? Image

If so he will probably have shorter fur the genes for the curly tail and shorter long coat are linked.

Whatever he's a cute chowling

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:02 pm
by Victory
Also how old is he in that picture? he looks too young to be away from his mom and sibs.

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:17 am
by jonnywho
@Victory - Yes his tail does curl up like that. So much so that it actually leaves a little indentation on the pups back fur.

At the time of this picture, he was a day short from being 10 weeks old. We actually just came from the vet this afternoon for his second shot and he almost doubled up his weight since we got him. :)

Re: How do you spot an open/closed face chow

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:02 pm
by Ooof
jonnywho wrote:Hey all,

I have a 3-month old chow that according to the breeder is a smooth coat, closed face type. After seeing a few other pictures on here, I'm pretty sure the breeder was just trying to get a sale.

What do you guys/gals think?

Here is punchy a few days after we got him.
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Can you post te pic again it does not come over on the internet for some reason