Lola being dirty on furnitute

[Tan160581]

Just recently Lola being dirty if I leave her like if I go upstairs and font take her I come back down and she has weed on the sofa when I come down I tell her off and she doesn't care I put her in the bathroom and leave her there she doesn't care - y has she started this all of a sudden ??

[wokman]

Post this on the training Forum. Some members may only go to Forums that interest them and have answers for your problems with Lola. I think she may be unhappy with her position in the house and is doing this as a way to show dominance? Read PInoys recent Post about Nala.
Is Lola still sick and seeing the Veterinarian

[Tan160581]

Hi
Where abouts is the post about nala please

She on 21 days of tablets but vet now sayin want to tske a scan of her x

[wokman]

Nala Post are on Health and Chow Chow Photo Gallery Forums. Both Forums have information on maybe similar peeing problem as Lola is having. Read both Forums for Nala Post, each has information.
We want you to get better Lola.
Zoey and Leo

[Pinoy51]

I'm a bit worried about you and Lola.
What I like is that you are trying to seek help here and dearly care about Lola, but my main worry is you seem to ignore all hints the forum is giving you and Lola to execute proper leadership with her.
Every blog I read I see another behavioral issue triggered by your lack of leadership.
Biting you and cats, running in front and barking during walks, peeing on sofas, ignoring you and your attempts to discipline her. How many more incidents do you need to realize that Lola tells you," you're not my leader".
I try one more time to make you aware that Lola doesn't respect you, because you might be caught in the myth that sick dogs can't be disciplined.
Nalas UTI became suddenly so bad, that she vomited due to pain while peeing and there was blood in the urine. I rushed her to the Vet got the diagnosis and medication. We started treating her, that same night she stayed clean in the house, did NOT jump on anything, etc. I kept her usual routine and today three days later she is back to normal, but still on medication. I left terrace open during the first night so she could leave in case she needed to pee, but she didn't go.
I hope this shows you that even very sick dogs don't pee on sofas. THIS IS A STRUGGLE OF HER FOR DOMINANCE.
Peeing on your place with or w/o you being their is supposed to tell you, this is my place I marked it so it smells like me and not like you. Simba is marking all the other dog places he inspects but not a single drop inside the house.
If she does that kind of dominance show-down in this age, this is NOT because she wants that but she feels she HAS too.
Then another clear indication that Lola doesn't see you as her leader. If she would respect you already, she would react on the locking away, because it is very bad for any pack member to be separated from the pack leader and other pack members during rest times. The only time they respect separation, is if you go-out "hunting". If I leave my house in the morning, there is no fuzz, no dog trying to block me or bark even trying to follow, and I have six fellows all roaming freely around the house, imagine the drama if I wouldn't be their pack leader. If I come home same, they come to see me, not because they love me but because they want to see if I'm still okay and able to lead the pack. again no fuzz, no barking, no jumping. On my time, I call them one by or in two's to give them affection and check on them. Only my beloved Chows of course are having their own way. Simba gives me not more than 10 minutes from entering the house until I call him. His "what's wrong with you I'm here" bark can be heard all over the house.
Nala usually is the first to greet me as she stays still in the house, and she of course is the excited little puppy doing happy dance and jumping which is perfectly normal for a 3month old doggy. She then follows to greet all the other dogs and cats. Simba her big boyfriend last, so they can start their happy-time together and me and my wife can have our own time out w/o anyone minding us.
I'm making a long story here again, to make you aware how a pack works compared to a single dog household. I'm here in this forum to learn more about Chows, because from the first moment Simba was with me I felt how different they are. Of course they're still dogs and pack driven, but their intelligence is just phenomenal.
I'm not even locking Nala and Simba away, I'm leaving them behind to address issues. Example: Nala last night, instead of coming to me, started a "catch me if yo can" game in the garden. Since it wasn't play time anymore, I turned away from her and started going up the stairs to our 2nd floor. Half way I heard her starting yelping, so I turned around and guess what..... she immediately let me scoop her up and bring her with me.
That's how a puppy in this age should react, challenging but following.

It is impossible to teach you leadership skills over this forum, please for your own good seek professional help from someone knowledgable about Chows. You miss a lot of the perfect companionship a Chow can give you.

[Rory's Dad]

I agree with Pinoy. This seems to be what i will call an 'attitude' pee. Lola is acting out, similar to a child that is not happy with a situation. When you leave the room, you are not doing what the dog expects you to do.It is not what she wants, so she is peeing on a spot that she deems to be yours. We are all taught that it does no good to discipline 'mistakes' unless we catch them or recognize it within about 30 seconds. With puppies and true accidents that may make sense, but this is different. As Pinoy said, this is more about control.

My first advice would be to make sure that you remove Lola from the couch before you move on. Do not leave her there and give her the opportunity to '1 up ' you. Because that is what is happening. Put her on the floor or command her down. Whatever is takes. Normal puppy accidents are out the window, she knows what she is doing, so separate her if the behavior continues off the couch. And it needs to be a meaningful amount of time. 5 minutes is not it. The behavior seems to be based off her separation issue, so the punishment, as it is, has to be significant. Reacting her way to a 5 minute separation from you should be a 30 minute or so time out. That way good behavior results in what she wants.

[Tan160581]

Hi everyone

Thanks for your advice and yes I got to be stronger I guess I'm more worried by why she weeing and drinking so much the breeder said vet over reacting and vet wants to do more tests and I'm watching her seeing how much she drinks and writing a diary of her wee movements plus my partners side of the family when we see them they demand we take Lola to there's and she does everything her own way I tell her not to and she ignores me said had st Bernard's in the past I say at Bernard's and chows not the same but still she carrys on like I taught her to sit and stay before eating when we go there I get told she's a puppy and they just give her the food and titbits from table

I been looking for people specialised in chows but could not find any however I found a man ex army who trained dogs in the army and has exp of huskys Alsatians etc i know not a chow but this was the best I could find so I have emailed him

I'm going to set a day aside and read all posts and pick up tips on how to be more of a better chow owner x

[wokman]

When you Post in the future, please give current information on Lola's conditions and behaviors, it will help readers with their responses. For a number of your Post I thought her infection was over and her behavior had improved. Your Vet must think something is more serious to give her a scan.
If the scan is what I think it is, that involves sedation, as is done for surgery.
As the others have said and as I can best guess from your past Posting, Lola does sound to have a more dominate personality than the average Chow. As Pinoy said you should get professional training in some form, in person or Video instruction. If she is ignoring you in the way you describe now, you may have lost her. She may see you as the food server, leash holder and one who annoys her.
I have read it and experienced it with my first Chow, they will look right through you like you are not even there. A member of a Family who owned a Kennel and trained hunting dogs said to me when I picked her up at their Kennel, "are you sure this is your dog", she did not even acknowledge me.
She adopted another family member and lived her life in her backyard kingdom, hunting and enjoying playing with her toys..........Get someone to evaluate Lola and be skeptical of your Vet.

[Tan160581]

Hi WOKMAN

So excited dog trainer rung me and he has experience of chows said just had a chow client was going to be put down as bit 3 people and know what he is talking about and how they are not a dog they are a chow, his ex army and veterian experience and i think he do wonders for lola i hope anyway

lola while i was upstairs in the shower again just weed on the sofa, and i took her out before i went, the man said like you all did either anxiety or domiance, his coming over tuesday to assess her its pricey but worth every penny

what did you mean by sceptivcal of vet ??

my partner said wait til we move which is end of nov for tests as he thinks a boredom thing as i said tiny house no garden and all animals on top of one another, as i said i didnt mean to get her when we were still here but the house we brought the ladys chain who buying from fall through but she now moving into rented hopefully, anyway when we take her to familys houses where its big and a garden she is rushin through the house running and playing and in and out of the garden and she wont wee at all in the 3 hours we are there and just has a drink after the running nothing excessive and when i do my walks with her which are like 40 mins to 1.5 she may do 2 in that time, what do you think, just that i think a scan and i know chows with anthestic can be dangerous, i would rather wait, al so my house very hot as well. plus he wants to do other things like get a swab of bladder and i think to invasive, blood was clear and urine was clear as well, when i first went she had traces and last visit she had none, and she is okay in herself, eats loads and playful and bright eyed wt nose etc and interested in everything

[Judy Fox]

Tania! Lola is being a nowty little baggage! Nothing new! Puppies do this! Chow chow puppies are better at it than most!

On the other hand you are putting far too much thought into it all!
You need to put in some action!
Buy a baby stair gate and confine her in your kitchen when you are not ther!
Stop thinking psychologically about the whole issue!

I repeat - Lola is being a nowty little moo and needs to be disciplined.

Trust us because if you don't do it now, in 12 months time you will be telling us that you have had to rehome her because she is unmanageable - or she has bitten somebody - or ..............................!

I have told you before - YOU ARE THE MUMMY PERSON - SHE IS THE PUPPY! YOU SAY - SHE DOES.

Jump on her - make her heed you. You don't need to hit her or scream at her - you need to be the boss.

[Pinoy51]

nyway when we take her to familys houses where its big and a garden she is rushin through the house running and playing and in and out of the garden and she wont wee at all in the 3 hours we are there and just has a drink after the running nothing excessive and when i do my walks with her which are like 40 mins to 1.5 she may do 2 in that time, what do you think,

If Lola can go for three hours without bladder break then there is not much wrong with her from a vet point of view.
There only two other reason for puppies peeing without real need.
The Dominance/ marking behavior or the ultra submissive fear peeing.
The way you described Lola this seems to be highly unlikely but just to make sure, her tail is up on the back all the time she runs and pees I assume.
Haven't heard from a female puppie using the dominance peeing that consequently but she might be a real confused Chow trying to lead a pack of humans and cats.
Anyway I'm glad you get someone coming to your house and have a look at her, my best guess with the right leadership you will have a normal Chowling.
And to the part of your family who thinks it is funny to ruin your food discipline: If they overrule you and give food just like that, it does not only make Lola more confused it also brings you down again from even getting close to alpha position. Nobody should interfere right now between Lola and you even the dog trainer won't do that, he will teach you how to handle her, at least I hope he will.
They should mind their own business and not make your life more difficult than it already is.
Also listen to Judy, she has a very practical approach to get the little misfit under control

[Rory's Dad]

I see much of the problem. You ask advice and get great responses, and then take none of it to heart. Listen to what people are telling you. Most responses focus on the same issue. You need to be the leader/parent to the dog. Set rules and enforce them. Excuses about the size of your home or lack of a garden space are not going to resolve the issues. They are allowing them. Sorry if i sound abrupt, but Lola needs training and you both need discipline.

[wokman]

In reading the other Post there is much great advice, but it should be clear to you now that some are getting bored with repeating the same advice over and over. I noticed the absence of some of the people lately who were giving you their time and great advice. Do not be the person who cried Wolf all the time when there was no Wolf and when help was really needed no one came.
You have proven to me you have the ability to be an Alpha, I and others have been following your lead on many of your Post. Sooo, Alpha Tan/Partner what I meant by being skeptical can apply to the Vet and the Trainer. Do not give these people your full trust, fifty percent is best. Both are running businesses and may now see you as ripe for the picking (getting your money). I would put off the Vets probing after you said Lola acted normally at you and yours Parents homes. Some Trainers will do whatever it takes to get the results you pay them for, some methods they use would make you scream. I have been told by a person in the pet industry that some dogs trained by the fear method can snap (get vicious) with terrible results to their humans. My Vet told me years back when I asked about a well known training facility that they had treated dogs that were injured during training.
Get references from the trainer before you spend a fortune and end up in the poor house all for nothing. If I understand right, you and partner are living in small, hot, temporary place waiting for dream home to become vacant. Your Mum has dogs and visits you and all of you go on walks together sometimes. The Cats have not been mentioned for awhile, so I guess Lola is good to them now?

LInk to well known T.V. trainers Web site, I gave this once before: http://www.cesarsway.com/

[Tan160581]

Hi everyone

I'm really sorry if I'm annoying you all its not intentional it's just that I want her to grow up nice and not be a statistic of biting or ending up in a home like the dog trainer told me yesterday he said prevention better then cure and dogs more impressionable learn things first year of there life- I just love her so much and I do follow all your advice you give me
Like put her on her side put cat or me above her
Make her sit for food treats or walks or she doesn't get and nothing for free and if naughty put her in a room for 20 mins and it does work 50 percent of the time but sometime it doesn't and not all the time I can put her in a room for that long length as my neighbours go berserk with her barking but when they not in and I don't have to mind about them like yesterday she wee on sofa I said no Lola no and put her in room for 30mins and today and rest of yesterday not done since but if she was to do again and neighbour in then I could do that as neighbour go mad

She getting better with cats but still has her moments I'm using the newspaper and that will stop her in her tracks and then she restart but I'm getting there

So I'm not ignoring you in taking it all in and acting out on it but I have to be neighbour friendly too plus as I said doesn't help when family or friends round and they don't understand nature of puppy and just see a teddy bear and ignore what I tell them they look at me as if im a idiot and being to firm with the puppy and that I should just let it be x

[Judy Fox]

Just keep at it Tania! Don't give in to the little moo. You have just got to go on and on and on and on and on..............................
I do see your problem and that is the trouble with little chowlings - they are just adorable! They look like gorgeous little teddies and they know they are gorgeous!
However, you must just say to your relatives -
"Ya, ya, ya, ya...................whatever!" and think 'she is my puppy and I will train her the way I like'.
Just keep at it until you move and I am sure you will get there in the end.
You must keep in mind the grown up chow lady she is going to become. What you want is a lovely, good mannered, well behaved chow lady and you must keep that in the back of your mind.
Love is a strange thing and is shown in different ways.
To love a puppy properly is to cuddle her, to feed her properly, to take her for walks, to provide her with toys and also to teach her manners and socialise her.
That is loving her -not spoiling her rotten so that she gets the blame when she is older.
Similarly, when an old chow is old and poorly, the greatest act of love you can offer is to take her to the vet and let her go with dignity to the Happy Hunting Ground.
That is love.
So keep loving her Tania and chin up until you get your new house.

[Ursa's daddy]

I think Judy Fox's several observations are on point.

[wokman]

There is one thing you say that Lola is doing that bring many people to this community because they did not do it. That is you are exposing her to a lot of different people; family, friends and strangers. So under all the distractions of illness, leaking, leash manners and Cat grabbing I and your other tormenters were unaware until your most recent Post you are far ahead of most. I will louden the cheer along with Judy Fox, KEEP GOING TAN!!! It may seem like mayhem, but it is just Lola finding her little Chow stubborn way into the World.

[Judy Fox]

That is so true Wokman - I did not pick up on that - Tania is letting her meet other people which is more than a lot of chows don't get - indeed what a lot of dogs don't get so as Wokman say Tania - well done
as contrary to popular belief, chows can be very sociable.
Lola is a lucky little girl really so I repeat - keep at it - when you move I bet you things will improve.

[Sarahloo]

Another problem is, once the couch stinks of pee, it's a designated pee-pee place. So you'll have to try and completely un-stink it, which is going to be difficult. Urine is nasty!

[Tan160581]

Hi everyone

Thank you for all the positive comments and I will keep at it

Lola again today wee on sofa while I was upstairs washing my hair yet I had to go out of the house for 2 hours and she pees on paper do u think she annoyed I'm upstairs and she's downstairs

I certainly took your comments on board about about socialising I take her to pet shops pubs not real busy ones but country ones where dogs allowed and people come and pet her, walks where she meets people yesterday was her first time on the beach not so nice for me cold but all wrapped up but lola loved it and met other doggy people she loves other dogs too snd outside shops and family snd friends and when postmen come or delivery men course my house small snd she try's to run out of door I hold her and get the men to pop package on table and then they pet her as well and course of that I don't know if it will change the older she gets but when she sees people now she runs up or wags tails to greet people and demands attention - I'm glad I'm doing something ok

Re the sofa I have a spray called urine off don't know if that is any good x

[Rory's Dad]

Yes, i think she is annoyed. That's what i said in an earlier post. She is not happy that you are going off and ignoring her (in her mind) for hours on end. Maybe she is bored, maybe spiteful. You would only know if your set up a video camera to watch her. If she looks around with a guilty look, it may be boredom, because he knows better. If she just full on 'goes for it', you will know its attitude.

I personally, would not allow her on the sofa at this point. This will help her learn her position. Give her full attention while on the floor and at your feet. Set her there to work on everyday Chow behaviors. Have her sit, lay down, speak, whatever it is she is learning and reward her (on the floor) for good, desirable behavior. You could put her up on the sofa for grooming and then put her down immediately when you are done. This will teach her that the couch is a designated spot for that task only. She will not lounge on the sofa, and certainly should not be soiling it.

To touch on what Sarahloo said, cleaning the urine out of the seating area is difficult at best. Nobody is going to want to sit there. The odor will be difficult to get rid of, and it's kinda nasty for unsuspecting guests.

Well done on the socializing aspect of raising your Chow pup. That is definitely important. Set yourself up as the rule maker, and dont accept anything less. You will end up with a happy, well adjusted Chow.

[Rio]

I am not going to give any comments on the behaviour, everything has been covered. Use biological washing powder diluted in a spray bottle to get rid of the urine smell properly. It has to be biological and it has to be the powder type. If the cushion comes off the sofa remove it and spray liberally allowing it to penetrate into the stuffing.

[Judy Fox]

Tania - one minute I am telling you that you are thinking too much now I am asking you to think!
I am assuming you were washing your hair in the bathroom.!
Why didn't to carry Lola up with you and be in the bathroom with you? She would pull a towel or two - she would watch you - she would tdry to pinch a flannel - she would watch you and think "Wot on earth is she doing now!" ...........................etc.
But - she would be with you.
Think - chick - think!
When I go to the bathroom I have two escorts and now they are grown up chow chow ladies they just fling themselves on the floor and keep me company - it is what being a chow chow is. (They do the same with Fred only he fiends it disconcerting when they stand and watch him spend a penny!)

[Tan160581]

Hi judy

Well I suppose I could but I thought I had to teach her to be independent as don't want her to get anxiety if I leave her when I go out but so far so good when I do go out she doesn't pee on sofa only if I'm upstairs

I thought by taking her upstairs she then would not want to sleep downstairs as when I first got her she would wine and bark and the forum said ignore and she get use to it and she did so if I take her upstairs when I do my hair I won't be undoing anything regards sleeping arrangements x

[Judy Fox]

Mmm! I am not sure about that Tania.
The thing is, my Matilda and Maisie are allowed everywhere in our bungalow and maybe that is the thing - we live in a bungalow. They sleep in our room so if you don't want Lola upstairs...................
Maybe somebody else will have comments on that.
I just know that these girls of mine are just here with us.